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Post by Jason on May 13, 2014 15:27:14 GMT
My suggestion is to edit both spells : "Volcanic Rain (utito flam) and Storm Surge (utito vis)" that they dont burn mana per second but per hit. Its such unfair that custom spells from other vocations taking only mana for activiting it. Since You guys "killed" sd runes making on serv i think sorcerer become the worst vocation. Druids have same power and still have their "heal friend". Im not crying because i must hunt alone, but i think u lose some points in balance. There are so many problems in playing sorcerer that i think this small change will not make a big changes.
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Post by Jason on May 13, 2014 15:34:15 GMT
Also it would be fine to see any exp place for sorcerers...instead of hell full of mobs for druid.
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Post by inpersenateringek on May 13, 2014 16:45:55 GMT
and people complained about me complaining how sorcerers didnt really have anything going for them. so jason and i, the two highest sorcerers have complained, get to it!
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Post by Nerkantos on May 13, 2014 21:20:21 GMT
lol idk if u have realized but most of the custom spells are for team hunts... Its not like a knight will use utamo res to pg or a druid will go around hunting in wolf form. Ive seen the power of those utito spells and they are really strong hitting 3-4 ghastlys dragons for 200-300 a turn for 200 mana per sec is way too strong lol About hell mobs well its pretty much like in rl sorcs arent made to hunt poi by themselves lol instead they do drakens medus etc, and btw pretty much no1 hunts hell alone maybe pyros and thats it
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Post by Jason on May 13, 2014 21:42:55 GMT
Dont talk shit. They destroy the economy of rune making for me, so they also should take something from druids to keep it balance. You are taking as a knight who always hunt with cape. How about increase mana using of "heal friend" ? Druids become better than sorcerers when i bealive they role is in support. "Maybe just pyros.." with 5kk per h.
You are wrong looking on it. 200-300 on ghaslys ? Ya, but it will burn 5,5k of my mana in 1 minute. Druid spell incrising his mlvl and shielding with incring his healing power. And dear god its a role of druid to heal, my role is to dealing dmg.
Play mage and we will see your powah
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Post by capetagem on May 13, 2014 21:59:37 GMT
I do play MS and ED =P , although i would say the Damage of utito vis/flam on monsters are not that high , at lvl 120 , with ml 70+ im doing 200-300 on ghastlys , would be better if it did a bit more, or had one Sqm More of attack , you can sustain your utito while drinking gmp , its not a big deal . I use the spell all the time , even saved sourz once with utito vis, and nerk in ghastlys some time ago .
Also, the ek will be blocking the mobs so far , you dont have to worry (much) about losing mana for mobs , only the drain .
If you compare how much a Ed waste just using sio on one Ek , you would see why you should have this drain .
most times i hunted with ingek i had 700 gmp and he had 700 gmp , after the hunt i had 100 , and he had 300 or more.. see my point ?
Utito flam/vis is a risky spell to use, although it does lots of damage, keep in mind when/where/and how to use ir properly. Hitting 6 monsters with utito is less expensive then killing 1 by 1 . (depends on monster) . And yes , this spell was made for Team-hunt, mostly , unless needed in some other way ( like stair clear).
Anyone can solo Pyros... the diference its how long you take to kill them =P . (although not worthy alone).
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Post by Nerkantos on May 13, 2014 22:08:14 GMT
Actually I mostly hunt solo only doing objectives with cape anyway if u cant understand that this is a team based server and those spells are team based idk and btw pyros arent 5kk/H I guess u havent tried solo there.
well if u wanna make the math for it lets say u do 250 per ghastly its 750 dmg per sec
5.5k mana for 45k dmg in a minute? considering its only 3 mobs tell me how ur not making dmg there?
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Post by capetagem on May 13, 2014 22:16:23 GMT
Actually I mostly hunt solo only doing objectives with cape anyway if u cant understand that this is a team based server and those spells are team based idk and btw pyros arent 5kk/H I guess u havent tried solo there. well if u wanna make the math for it lets say u do 250 per ghastly its 750 dmg per sec 5.5k mana for 45k dmg in a minute? considering its only 3 mobs tell me how ur not making dmg there? Well Lelouch is at lvl 120 - so around 3500 mana.( cant see cuz im trapped at malchus room =p ) Since you use 220 per second 3500 / 220 = 15 seconds of utito vis/flam Thinking low , assume you do 200 dmg to each monster. 200 * 15 = 3000 damage Seems low right ? Now you Think that you are hitting 5 monsters 3000 * 5 = 15000 You're doing 15k damage in 15 seconds. if you ever kill 5 monsters in 15 seconds , using SD tell me =P .
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Post by Nerkantos on May 13, 2014 22:31:19 GMT
Btw when you said killed rune making what did you mean you cant make them anymore? or did you mean BUYING magic level? that was certainly killed lol
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Post by Jason on May 14, 2014 9:13:47 GMT
So... 1st i dont need higher dmg on it. It should just burn mana when im attacking monsters so i dont need to activate and disactivate it so many times. So i have time to recover my mana. 2nd attacking 5 mobs at once? Maybe rats, dont forget about amount of hit points. There arent any place where i Can get so many mobs every time. 3rd rune making. Druids raising there mlvls simply by just healing knights. Whats going with it ? 1000 pots per hunt ? I m using 200 pots and 2000 sds per hunt. So my hunt is more expensive and im geting lower amount of % mlvl than druid. By raising their mlvl druids recive great profit. 4th im currently highest ms in server so how You nerk Can say im wrong once u are a knight. You talk just like kid "no no no". I spend so many hours on hunts...funny 5th You create something like closed group of friends and u are not open to share Fun with others. Im not hunting in group couse "my guild m8s never helped me...i Can also say many things about other suggestion.
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Post by Fixuki on May 14, 2014 11:03:50 GMT
All of this sounds like the following: hi, I didn't make friends to hunt with because I decided to pg on serpent spawns and warlocks solely. I could do this easily because I am a mage. But damn, I want it to be easier for me, because its not fair that people who actually bothered to hunt with friends from the start now start benefitting off that. Please make it easier for me to play this server, because it isn't easy enough already.
Quit the bullshit, everyone can make friends and hunt with them, there's no need to make the spells even stronger. This server is easy as fuck to get cash on, whether you hunt solo or in teams. If you don't want to waste, don't use the spell. Those spells were designed for team hunting in the first place, you don't HAVE to use them, you're just given a choice.
You're still able to do the highest DPS as sorcerer, which you were designed for. You could hunt with exevo Mort hurt and gran vis lux instead of sding everything and by doing that raise your magic level. You could also decide not to, resulting in a lower magic level. If you don't like that, play a druid.
It annoys me to see all these cries for no reason, because people just want to become stronger and have an easier time on a server that is easy enough to play regularly.
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Post by Jason on May 14, 2014 12:03:57 GMT
another knight... What is bullshit (post higher /\ )!? Team hunts in server existing only in 1 system. Druid + Knight. I asked all ppl in our guild to hutn with me ( couse it was to hard to solo most of tasks ) But well it was always "no!" So what was my option ? I died 999x but did it all alone.
As i see You not yet done with "reading" in school. Cape said: It should have more power" I said : i dont need more power, i just want it to have some seanse...so the spell should take same amount of mana as it is (or even fucken higher, i dont care) BUT WHEN I STANDING, SMOKING A CIG, WATCHING PORN OR WHATEVER IT SHOULD NOT TAKE MANA. Where u see my crying for power ? Does pallys losing arrows once standing in depot ? Maybe they should LAL plxxx
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Post by Fixuki on May 14, 2014 13:02:32 GMT
I like your insults; 'you haven't finished reading in school' is what you meant I suppose. However, I never said you wanted the spell to do more damage (or power as you describe it), you do however want it more powerful since you want to make it easier to use. I guess you are the one that hasn't 'finished reading' yet.
I suppose you chose the wrong guild then, my friends and guild members wanted to hunt with me and my friends regardless of what vocation we were. I've been hunting with a paladin, a druid and sorcerers in the same team or seperately, so your argument is pretty bullshitty. Also 'my guild doesn't want to hunt with me' is a pretty weak argument in making a spell more powerful.
A paladins basic attacks (I.e. normal attacks that hit monsters/people) are way different than this aoe sorcerer spell. You're able to turn it on and off, there is no need to keep it on while watching or porn or smoking a cigarette or whatever you feel like doing.
Also, being as aggressive as you are in combination with your lack of English makes it so that people are less likely to take you serious, I'd suggest working on your attitude at least.
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Post by capetagem on May 14, 2014 13:23:04 GMT
So... 1st i dont need higher dmg on it. It should just burn mana when im attacking monsters so i dont need to activate and disactivate it so many times. So i have time to recover my mana. 2nd attacking 5 mobs at once? Maybe rats, dont forget about amount of hit points. There arent any place where i Can get so many mobs every time. 3rd rune making. Druids raising there mlvls simply by just healing knights. Whats going with it ? 1000 pots per hunt ? I m using 200 pots and 2000 sds per hunt. So my hunt is more expensive and im geting lower amount of % mlvl than druid. By raising their mlvl druids recive great profit. 4th im currently highest ms in server so how You nerk Can say im wrong once u are a knight. You talk just like kid "no no no". I spend so many hours on hunts...funny 5th You create something like closed group of friends and u are not open to share Fun with others. Im not hunting in group couse "my guild m8s never helped me...i Can also say many things about other suggestion. We did call for some quests, we did malchus 4 times yesterday, you werent online, we are waiting a bigger team for orshball and we are counting you on it already, if you want people to read your thread, insulting is not the way . If you're not happy with the guild you're freely to leave it. Also you got 180 lvls, how come you didnt find a team to hunt with ? again insulting Ek's will make it worse =P And all about one single spell, im playing a 120 Ms aswell , i use that spell all the time and i didn't had problems at all.. You know , you add DMG to the team, the spell is pretty much to use in sticky situations , and most of the time in Team Hunts, you don't have to actualy use it if your team is big enough to do damage, since you put yourself in danger to do it. Its not that the guild never helped you, you never asked us for it , also me and nerk are exploring and collecting items for the main story =P , so sometimes rly cant help . You should thank nerk (or mist ) , they added you to the guild, and you're getting 20%+ bonus exp , + 15% Ml Skill sometimes . So you can't say the guild does not help you , at all =p . Off-Topic
Cruiv , we found what to do with those sardonyx :) (idk if you know already xD )
Anyways this is going offtopic at all , since the first question is about utito flam/vis . Still think - Add One Sqm Range of the Spell , if gets unbalances , make a 5 target max . - Does not Require mana to Turn it off . ( This is the only thing that kills , 220 just to turn it off. )
220 mana drain is ok .
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Post by Nerkantos on May 14, 2014 17:45:53 GMT
Actually when was the first or last time you actually asked for team hunt? all you do is coimplain how a hff would kill you... How many bosse/task u have unlocked? pretty sure you dont have the evil, elementus, or necra. Heard you where complaining about the hell only being for druids, have you ever been to hell? lol
The spell is a tool ur choice to use it or not, its completly viable if u can use it on team hunt, cant find a team? you got all the others spells.
complaining about knights answering your thread, well we have actually hunted with sorcs that use that spell the right way thats why we know.
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