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Post by Fixuki on Mar 1, 2015 12:16:46 GMT
Heyo,
We've been in Hell for quite some time now, and figured out we'd need at least 1000 Sardonyx' to be able to activate the portal & continue exploring hell. So far we've found 4 daily quests to obtain the sardonyx': The Butcher, dropping up to 4; the tree in the Plague area, dropping 2(?); the ghastly crystal, giving 1 and the soul of a flesh nightmare, giving 2. If we're lucky we can get 9 a day per person, which requires us all to be online at pretty much the same time in order to do all these daily's, since it's impossible to wander through hell on your own to do all these.
Say we get 5 online at the same time, we get a maximum of 45 sardonyx (which is never ever going to happen, so we might aswell put it at an avarage of 35). It'll take us a month to collect all the sardonyx', IF we get to do all dailys every day (which is quite impossible due to the timezones & busy real life schedules of some players) it'd take us a month to collect them all. To be honest with you, I get that you guys want a season to last for months, however I (and quite some of my teammembers) am not going to farm 1 item for a month just to progress. We've reached hell in 2 weeks because we knew what we were doing and invested quite some time into it, only to get stuck at a point where we have to collect items of which we know we can barely loot them (only monster that has dropped them so far were the custom Phantasms, and they prove to be very, very annoying to kill).
My point is that we feel that collecting 1000 sardonyx' in this way is going to make most of us quit. We're not interested in just doing daily's, having to go through the hassle of even getting a team online that can do them (since the player count is once again very low, this era not because of the tasks but other reasons that have already been pointed out), and doing that for a month straight. This isn't going to work, this isn't going to motivate any of us. We're looking to have fun here, to kill bosses (which are awesome so far in Hell), not to collect 1 item for ages.
What I think could work is either lower the sardonyx' to fit the amount of active players on the server OR give us alternative ways to loot the sardonyx'.
One of the alternatives could be to have the (mini)bosses in Hell drop a certain amount of Sardonyx' in addition to the 1 equipment piece they drop at the moment. The white skull bosses for example could drop 1-5, while the red skulls could drop 5-15 (or whatever number seems fit) a piece. Besides that the custom monsters in hell could drop 1-2 sardonyx' every now and then. This'd not only encourage to kill more custom monsters (the exp there really isn't that good compared to what we can get on the mainland), but also to keep on killing more bosses after looting the equipment we need for the Ruthless 7.
I hope something will be done about this, I'd hate to see another season going to waste because of having to farm 1 single item for way too long.
Regards,
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Post by alan on Mar 1, 2015 14:33:48 GMT
I strongly agree with this. I have been inactive for quite a few days already just because I'm so demotivated. Through out the whole game you always had something to look forward to, tasks to do, feats to try and get, places to explore, quest-lines, etc... but once you get to hell that is minimized to a certain point. I'm pretty sure our team has explore all of hell with the exception of the portal, and of course any secret pick holes there might be. But the point is that EVERYTHING that we have to look forward to is IN that portal. The last 2 feats, bosses, new monsters and places to explore, and so on.. everything depends on that portal. Considering we will need 1000 sardonynx is too much for me. I mean I would understand if there was like 3 guilds in hell who were all gathering sardyonyx but that's not the case. It's just a few people.. and like Fixuki said AT MOST 1 person can get a day is 8 since The tree in the Plague always gives one, and 8 is if you're lucky enough. Either way it will takes way to long to open the portal, longer than we all have. I'm not going to spend a whole month just to open the portal, I'm sorry but I just don't have the tenacity for that. I love the server A LOT, it was definitely one of the best servers I've played, I mean the bosses on here are so EPIC! But we've hit such a huge wall in hell and I don't think we will overcome it. Look at the server, it's not as successful as it could be, I'm not trying to be rude but because of all the occurrences during this ERA a lot of people have quit. If we the dedicated players who've played in previous season quit who will you have left? A max of 1-5 players who would eventually hit walls and quit as well? I don't see why you can't speed up the progress for us. Wouldn't it be nice for both side if we reached content because that way we would enjoy ourselves and at the same time test the content to make sure it will be perfect for next season. I don't think I'll be playing next season which is why I want to crank out as much as I can this season! But seeing as how it is right now I don't think it will happen and then you guys will be left with a completely dead server. I'm not trying to be harsh here or provoke you but I'm just providing the facts. You should really take in consideration Fixuki's suggestions, both lowering the total amount you need, as well as adding sardonynx to all monsters and bosses in hell. If this happens I'm willing to play 1 more week MAX to open the portal, any longer and no thanks considering how long we've already been in hell. I'm sick and tired of it and I'm sick and tired of Hellborns because I've been hunting there for a week straight and I'm pretty sure ill be hunting there for the rest of my levels on here which is no happy thought. If you guys do make a change I sure hope its a drastic one because if it's something tiny like 900 instead of 1000 then no thanks. This response might sound rude, repulsive, rampant, whatever else you want to say but it is what it is. The rest is up to you guys. I wish you the best of luck and I hope to see myself on again.
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Post by Bicepspump on Mar 1, 2015 16:17:56 GMT
God damnit Alan structure your text
OT: Agree, Hell is an amazing place but sadly not enough players play to make it what you planned it out to be.
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Mar 1, 2015 18:35:03 GMT
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Post by jamalswaxon on Mar 1, 2015 18:35:03 GMT
This server is the bee's knees. I'll play this server every season (as long as real life situations allow) Bc it is so much fun with other people!
Hell atm: the Sards are not the problem, however, the methods for collecting them are. I agree 100% with fixuki. If there were other methods of obtaining them, preferably SOLO methods, then this would be a much better experience. I understand the grind at the moment for 1000 sards would allow other players to not only catch up to those in hell, but for those in hell to reach 250 to wear the gear they have been earning from bosses. But ATM, literally only Knights can solo hell efficiently, hellborns specifically, and there are no sard drops there. After experiencing so much variety from playing, then realizing "oh wait, I have to get sards here for the next two months, waiting on others to log on", is very demoralizing with as much as this server has had to offer prior to the portal grind.
TL,DR; server needs more solo content
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Post by Vitalie on Mar 1, 2015 18:37:59 GMT
I agree with all suggestions above, with very few players reaching hell, it´s become a problem and a source of demotivation to manage to collect 100 sards.
Yours, Vitalie
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Post by Vitalie on Mar 1, 2015 18:38:42 GMT
I agree with all suggestions above, with very few players reaching hell, it´s become a problem and a source of demotivation to manage to collect 100 sards. Yours, Vitalie 1000* sards
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Post by saber on Mar 1, 2015 21:01:57 GMT
Agree with Fixuki's(Cruiv's) idea. Perhaps the administrators could share us the goal of the collecting sardonyxes so we can counter it with other ideas how this problem could be solved. I actually think that this task does not truly fit into the overall server idea. It seems that the server is like a race between teams to kill the Ruthless Seven and this task actually demands from the teams to cooperate. The players need challenges and well this is not a challenge at all. It is just boring. If it is suppose to actually force the players to gain levels and collect equipement, I am pretty sure that if the R7 is as strong as you claim it to be, they will have to do that anyway. In my opinion the overall amount of the sardonyxes needed should be lowered by half. The sardonyxes should be added to bosses/custom monsters loot in hell. And well perhaps to not make everything nice and easy some mechanisms like to keep the portal open it has to be feed with sardonyxes each day (like lets say 10-15 each day) growing buy similar amount everyday, unless the portal was not strenghten the day before. As to you Alan, with all the friendliness I have to you. Well I do understand that you are not happy about collecting sardonyxes (well noone is). But first you call yourself 'dedicated' player and then you give some conditions that will actually make you come back (for a one whole week!) . Nobody forces you to hunt hellborns, there are some more places to hunt.
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alan
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Post by alan on Mar 1, 2015 21:26:37 GMT
As to you Alan, with all the friendliness I have to you. Well I do understand that you are not happy about collecting sardonyxes (well noone is). But first you call yourself 'dedicated' player and then you give some conditions that will actually make you come back (for a one whole week!) . Nobody forces you to hunt hellborns, there are some more places to hunt. When I said dedicated players I was referring to you, bicep, jamal, cruv, etc... as I did not really play last season. I just said we cause I was referring to the team as a whole. I never said I would just come back for one whole week and stop playing. I said 1 week max to gather sardonyx to open the portal, which is of course an exaggeration. The reason I said 1 week max was because I want them to drastically change the amount of sardonyx you need and or the ways to get them. I don't just want them to make a small change like changing it from 1000 sardonyx to 900 because even though that helps it's not enough. I will say that when I was posting my reply I was a bit rash but oh well. Also you're right, no one forces me to hunt hellborns but there is no reason why I shouldn't. No other monsters to my understanding will give more exp or loot. Hunting hellborns also has the benefit of summoning a mini boss, as well as a close waypoint allowing you to sell items and refill pots super quick. That's like telling me to walk home instead of using my car.
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Post by Reaper on Mar 2, 2015 8:15:31 GMT
Told like 10 days ago,when i stopped playing: "This server is just a few ppl doing their things,just like fist seasson."
now enjoy
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Post by Fixuki on Mar 2, 2015 9:14:38 GMT
Told like 10 days ago,when i stopped playing: "This server is just a few ppl doing their things,just like fist seasson." now enjoy What else are we supposed to do? There's nothing to do but our own things ever since everyone left due to kicks & the way frisiga was designed. Besides that, we have helped a lot more people than you ever have in your time playing here, in both seasons. Spare me your cries because you apparently weren't able to keep up with us like others were and just get lost.
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Post by GM Darkstar on Mar 2, 2015 21:44:31 GMT
Hello everybody! So we have been talking about this and yes, it was definitely planned for more players and therefore we're going to update some stuff regarding this matter: The requirement for Sardonyxes will be greatly reduced. Narolth will drop Sardonyxes. (Almost) all the creatures in Hell will drop Sardonyxes. Cauchemars, that already dropped them, will have a slightly higher chance of doing so. The same happens with bosses in Hell. We hope these changes are up to your expectations. Let's try it out like this and we will see how this sorts out, alright? =D
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Post by Fixuki on Mar 3, 2015 0:04:24 GMT
Awesome, we love the changes to be honest. Only thing that didn't seem changed (according to Alan) was the required amount of sardonyxes, we still got 2% for 20 turned in, which'll come down to 1k sardonyxes. If this was still the intention we understand, atleast there are a lot more and enjoyable ways to collect them now.
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Post by GM Darkstar on Mar 3, 2015 6:25:51 GMT
The needed amount has been reduced by a lot
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Post by Fixuki on Mar 3, 2015 6:41:43 GMT
I see, guess either Alan must've seen it wrong or something else happened, we'll see.
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Post by saber on Mar 3, 2015 8:47:47 GMT
Maybe the npc was not updated :-)
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